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hey everybody hope you're having a great

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day today we're going to do a bit of a

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deep dive on not just a recent film that

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came out but also some of the politics

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and weird things that happen when you

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try to put out a film revealing things

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that maybe some people don't want to be

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revealed and you know we all talk about

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conspiracy and this and that but uh Ron

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has told us some pretty crazy stuff

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about his latest film accidental truth

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and some of the challenges that he's had

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both competition wise and maybe higher

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up the ladder than we even know so I

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mean he's uh I think the first time on

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our show uh but we also host move on TV

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filmmaker super well spoken and

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knowledgeable guy

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um I think he can you know bring the

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world of nuts and bolts and the last 75

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years worth of info and sort of bring it

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um now I know Jay you got some stuff you

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want to ask I want to definitely go to

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the world of like Enigma Labs a lot of

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talk about this place Ron knows more

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about mufon than just about anybody

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we've spoken to let's see what the deal

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is where is everybody at in the pecking

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order can you give us any info that

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maybe hasn't been told on other shows so

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it's going to be a cool show we're going

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to pick his brain we're going to uh try

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to see what uh what we can learn you

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know for our audience and our viewers

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well we always learn some from every

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guest and I think you know his level of

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you know commitment to this project and

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not only his film but to move on and his

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activity within the community it's

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important and we need to cover that

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right we need to see these these guys

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and that um

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and basically ask him about mufon as

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well right let's move on up to we're big

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supporters of the organization and and

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tell our listeners if you want to get

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involved that's a great step to to start

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right for sure so yeah I'm looking

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forward to this interview should be uh

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should be interesting yeah and when I

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watched the movie I I see it was almost

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like a Rolodex of our favorite guests

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you know some of the bigger names we've

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had on this show are all in this movie

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so right away it was like watching a

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project that our buddies had made so uh

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very cool so anyway we're gonna get Ron

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uh out of the backstage here we're gonna

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run our music and let's do a bit of a

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deep dive on creating UFO movies and the

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politics that go into it and everything

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else that's happening in the world of

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast my name is Louis Borges

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joining me as always my good buddy Jason

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Gilman well you know what we have yet to

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do an interview where I don't show up

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you know like I'm looking forward to the

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day that I'm really really sick and you

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have to carry this on your own because I

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know you got this all right I

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interviewed Ross coal tired I had

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full-blown covet and I was there so I

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know you slept in a little but that

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doesn't matter because we're here right

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we're here Logan's five minutes late and

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he almost solved the equation of dark

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energy so we can forgive him for that I

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guess but it's a great day today we're

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chatting with another uh great filmmaker

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and a big mind in the field of ufology

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Ron James is our guest uh he is the

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founder of mufon Television uh he's also

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the head of media relations for mufon

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itself and he's the producer of a recent

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movie called accidental truth which

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we've both watched and uh it features an

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amazing cast most of those people have

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been on our show so it felt like

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watching our friends kind of do their

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own project and uh so we'll dive into

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the movie uh and as well learn a little

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bit about Ron himself but first big

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welcome Mr Ron James thank you thanks

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you and shame on me for not having heard

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of you you've been around a while I've

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been doing this and I saw what you've

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been involved with previously and the

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type of dialogue that you have and how

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you kind of process it all and it's very

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much how we think too right like let's

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delineate between definitely what we

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know and definitely what we don't know

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programs putting out content and people

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what is truth and what is not and I

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we know what are the experts saying and

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let's not focus on the stuff we don't so

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um and again first time on our show so

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with you maybe tell us a little bit

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about yourself uh what got you into

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ufology and then now making movies

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sure so I've I've had a production

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company since the uh late 1990s and I

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um building Studios and stuff there and

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uh produces x-conf so I went to the uh I

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into the topic to a point you know kind

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of like an armchair fishing and auto but

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started seeing these people and it

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dawned on me that this was like the

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biggest deception ever perpetrated on

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humanity and it was way back then that I

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something about it so I uh I got

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that I used to see on TV all the time

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which is pretty cool and I just started

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shooting interviews and and trying to

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connect the dots and so I've got hard

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drives and hard drives full of

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unpublished interviews of lots of people

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accidental truth became clear quite some

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time ago but it it wasn't until I

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2018 that I really understood what this

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film needed to be and so that's when I

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disclosure dialogues which was me that

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O'Brien and um I've done the uh I helped

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the uh Travis the true story of Travis

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bunch of shows that that I've done for

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move on television so I've got um I

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which I built and and created and it's

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him and he's one of the he's the guy

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that broke the story so you know I went

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straight to the source all the way

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across the board on this and I managed

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to get almost everybody I wanted but

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about this subject is come compelling

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enough and so accidental truth is about

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what we can prove by either showing

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cross-referencing them with things that

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we already know and getting people that

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the movie of accidental truth so it says

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here an accidental truth is what happens

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when a combination of statements and

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evidence lead to an inescapable

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intended to be revealed so it's a

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collection of evidence throughout 75

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no way to deny it this actually happened

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this was confirmed at the time now like

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who knew a guy and this is real right so

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there's no way to actually

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find the evidence for this but in your

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movie you make a very clear look these

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events happened and is documented uh and

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something going on that we're not being

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told and it's beautifully done the title

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of the movies describes the movie very

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well right when you put the movie

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say like my wife which is kind of

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interested in UFOs but doesn't know the

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back story of it like what was your

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intention uh building it like what was

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your audience that you were targeting

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well you know it's interesting I get

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asked all the time if there was a single

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book I could read or a single film I

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could watch that would bring me up to

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speed on kind of what's happening with

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the UFO field what would it be right and

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there are certainly a few books out

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there that are heavy lifts and I wanted

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to make the film that would do that job

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so for the mainstream public that knows

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very little about this topic it's the

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film to watch it's that it lays it out

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for you all the way back to Roswell and

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it's very concise and there's no BS in

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it and it will bring you up to speed and

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for the for the UFO person who thinks

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they know it all

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um and there's a lot of them out there

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that are like oh I already knew about

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all this stuff I don't think so I think

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if you're still saying that after you

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watch the film then you weren't paying

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attention because there's a lot of stuff

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promise so I tried to make the film that

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was really going to break through the

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barriers of the mainstream at the same

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time that it was a rewarding watch for

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the UFO community and so far it looks

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there's other films out there um there

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there's like four in the top ten in

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apple and they're all UFO films and I'm

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one of them we've been in the top that's

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awesome charged congratulations it's all

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these UFO films and you know James Fox

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is a friend of mine he gave me a shout

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out on Rogan which was really cool and

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um and so you know we're we're joking

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around all the time you know it's Lonely

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at the Top but at least we have each

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other

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Hey Ron I've heard you say that you

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wanted this movie to pass the Midwest

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bar test oh have you heard that one and

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I thought that was super cool I've heard

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it before for other things but I don't

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think many people have heard it so tell

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us what is the Midwest bar test well

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okay so this is a this is kind of a joke

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I made up but it really illustrates a

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point and for me as a journalist I have

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this little thing that I made up in my

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head and I call it the Midwest bar test

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and what that means is that if you were

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to walk into a bar in the Midwest of

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America salt of the earth people you

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know farmers

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whoever just average Midwestern people

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at the bar at the end of the day and you

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sit down and somehow or another UFOs

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comes up well they're going to gather

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around you they're going to be like well

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what do you know about UFOs and you say

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something to the effect of well you know

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I think there's good evidence that there

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might have been a non-human intelligence

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interacting with the human race for all

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of reported history and they're going to

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go yeah I've I've heard about that kind

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of stuff I watched Ancient Aliens you

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know I think that might be true and then

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you say well and you know the government

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I think obviously knows more about it

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than they're telling us and you're still

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going to get that by this point

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somebody's probably buying you a beer

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and then you know then you then you

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chime in with there's very few

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scientists out there still that will say

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there's no life in in outer space so I

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think it's pretty much accepted that

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there has to be something out there and

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you still got their attention and and

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and you're in a friendly situation but

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as soon as you say oh and you know by

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the way I was subjected all this weird

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teleportation technology I went to Mars

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on a giant flying space submarine fought

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spiders and and came back and then all

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of a sudden I was uh age regressed right

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back into where I started when I was 12.

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about that time one of them's dragging

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you outside the other one is kicking you

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they're laughing at you like you're a

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psycho and and the guy that bought you a

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beer probably took it back and he's

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drinking it so if it passes the Midwest

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bar test which means that the average

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person could could agree with what

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you're saying and and not think you're a

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fool then

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I like to stay in that because there's

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too many tinfoil hats and the UFO field

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has gotten too much ridicule because of

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it and so even even within mufon I'm

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always like guys let's stick to what we

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can scientifically prove or make a case

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for because that's what we're all about

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and that's why I got involved with mufan

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is because at the core of it it's a

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scientific understanding of this

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phenomenon and we've got a huge amount

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of people working on this from that

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standpoint but I don't want to make

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another film about UFOs I might have

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gotten more people like appreciating it

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if I would have made it a little bit

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more bombastic but I didn't it's

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literally a it's a case being laid out

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and is entertaining a manner as I could

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make it and it passes the Midwest bar

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test right and you mentioned something

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good about the armchair investigators

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because we see that all the time on

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Twitter whether they comment on our

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posts or the comment on somebody else's

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post is like

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you know you guys are stupid and I knew

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all this information like everybody

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thinks that they know everything on the

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subject because they watch documentaries

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on TV and the thing is Louie and I've

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been at this for a while we've

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interviewed so many freaking people and

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we still don't know everything there is

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to know about the subject it it has

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levels of expertise that you need to

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focus on and be good in that right like

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if you're into physics with the physics

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we're often on on podcasts where like

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there's experts in like document you

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know that were just revealed and stuff

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that's out of my depth I don't know what

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I'm talking about they're gonna throw me

385
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a question I'm like I don't know you

386
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know but ask me about the abduction

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phenomenon or the cattle mutilation and

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I'll have a good discussion with you so

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there's all these experts needed in this

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field because it's such it touches on

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every aspect of our lives and like you

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mentioned if there it really does yeah

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if they're here they've been interacting

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with us from the start our science our

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Consciousness our Evolution everything's

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tied into them it takes every field of

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study in humanity to be able to put this

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together right uh and I think muffon

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does a great job at least

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being there for people to listen to them

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without ridicule uh when your

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organizations really come a long way and

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we will talk about that a little bit

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Yeah huge uh but my question to you is

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with the recent um you know Congress

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hearings and just hearing about how the

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new departments are

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it seems like there's no momentum and

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when that gentleman said you know I'd

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like to make it somebody else's problem

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I keep thinking we'll move on why

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doesn't the government fund mufon

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because I know in Congress they use a

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lot of data from mufon to begin with to

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establish a foundation so why don't they

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just keep funding that organization

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that's already doing work that already

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has the the foundation to investigate

419
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you know what I mean instead of just

420
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starting a new every single time from

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scratch

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well you know every time mufan gets

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involved in something where the

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government funds it like like the whole

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thing with osop and Robert Bigelow then

426
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we get accused of selling out to the

427
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government to be part of the problem but

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what I can tell you that I don't know if

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you know this or not

430
00:15:40,730 --> 00:15:38,220
um mufon has been in Washington DC

431
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Moving Mountains we are the ones that

432
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got Andre Carson and gillibrand and

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Gallagher to have that hearing in the

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first place our lobbying group Jessica

435
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Taco at 810 and Associates that worked

436
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with these guys to make it happen and

437
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um we also were instrumental in some of

438
00:16:00,410 --> 00:15:58,380
the legislation that got passed for the

439
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uh there's a section in the in the

440
00:16:04,569 --> 00:16:02,399
defense Appropriations act that it did

441
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calls for military accountability of UAP

442
00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:08,699
files now originally that date went back

443
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to 1947 and we went in to to

444
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uh discussed this and we wanted to move

445
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back to 1945 so that we didn't have

446
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Roswell being the year that was all

447
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cloudy and and then we also knew there

448
00:16:27,050 --> 00:16:25,440
was some things that happened before 47.

449
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so we actually are the ones that got

450
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that change from 1947 to 1945. and and

451
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and that is something that's documented

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and I have sat mufan has had over 350

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meetings with staffers and sitting

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Congress people in the last year and a

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half 350 350 we're delivering reports as

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we speak quarterly to both House and

457
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Senate intelligence committees

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um and I personally I'm looking to see

459
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if I can find the pictures because you

460
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know lots of people that's crazy that's

461
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that's commitment a lot more involved

462
00:17:01,129 --> 00:16:59,699
than most people would think well we are

463
00:17:02,449 --> 00:17:01,139
and you know what's really funny is that

464
00:17:05,809 --> 00:17:02,459
there's a lot of people out there

465
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talking about how you know while I was

466
00:17:10,370 --> 00:17:07,500
there getting that done and I have to

467
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say we're that we are there and we don't

468
00:17:15,049 --> 00:17:12,540
see a lot of these people so I wish they

469
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would stop it honestly yeah but um you

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know that's whatever so here is

471
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um

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this is me having lunch with Andre

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Carson two months ago

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um you know he's the one that led those

475
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hearings and I sat with him for looking

476
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for some of the other pictures because

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this is really cool I would you know

478
00:17:36,590 --> 00:17:34,020
here's me with uh with Congressman Tim

479
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burchett a couple months ago I sat and

480
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personally lined out three sitting

481
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members of Congress inside a 24-hour

482
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period And I had time to talk to them

483
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there's video of me telling Tim burchett

484
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the whole story from Roswell going

485
00:17:52,250 --> 00:17:49,860
forward we're going to release it on The

486
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Accidental truth Insider page so yeah

487
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:53,460
we're getting a lot done and we're

488
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getting their attention and what's

489
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really interesting is these guys know

490
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that they're being lied to and what

491
00:18:03,890 --> 00:18:01,260
we're seeing unfold in these hearings

492
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the first one was was you know kind of

493
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bad Moultrie and uh and Bray kind of

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made fools of themselves to those of us

495
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who know but they Illustrated

496
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compartmentalization and and how this

497
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whole thing is working and all they're

498
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doing now is building more boxes and

499
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giving them more acronyms oh this is the

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AAP you know whatever and they're

501
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everywhere and then we get this NASA

502
00:18:26,570 --> 00:18:24,240
announces that they're going to start

503
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looking into UAP give me a break like

504
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they haven't been for 75 years yeah

505
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however not only been around well yeah

506
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let's go back to life on Mars in 76 and

507
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just start there but um the uh so these

508
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guys know and unfortunately they have to

509
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walk a certain tightrope and they have

510
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to play a certain game but behind closed

511
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doors there's mad about it as the rest

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as the rest of us especially the ones

513
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that are invested in the topic and so

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that you know sitting members of

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front-facing politicians they're not

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really the enemy so to speak in the

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secrecy and neither are the guys like

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Lou and Chris and these mid-level people

519
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um because they're not really read in

520
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,260
either there's very very few people that

521
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really uh know the whole story and

522
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they're disappearing rapidly because you

523
00:19:13,250 --> 00:19:10,880
know they're dying off and then

524
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institutional memory

525
00:19:18,289 --> 00:19:15,780
is not really there so it's it's like

526
00:19:19,730 --> 00:19:18,299
there there's no there's isn't this huge

527
00:19:21,409 --> 00:19:19,740
paper trail there isn't this huge

528
00:19:23,450 --> 00:19:21,419
documentation of this stuff a lot of

529
00:19:26,450 --> 00:19:23,460
evidence has been destroyed it's really

530
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:26,460
shocking actually how easily and readily

531
00:19:31,490 --> 00:19:28,320
the military will destroy historical

532
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:31,500
evidence and so you know that's kind of

533
00:19:36,289 --> 00:19:33,840
a long answer and all over the place but

534
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the the movement in Washington is

535
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:38,460
happening we're doing it

536
00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:40,559
um there's some other things that kind

537
00:19:44,029 --> 00:19:41,880
of tie in with what you're talking about

538
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,039
that I can't talk about now but we have

539
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a seat at the table and and we're doing

540
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:48,299
everything we can to fulfill our mission

541
00:19:53,450 --> 00:19:51,120
in DC man I'm so proud of you guys that

542
00:19:55,610 --> 00:19:53,460
is awesome I wanted to ask you about we

543
00:19:58,909 --> 00:19:55,620
hear a lot from Enigma not from but

544
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:58,919
about Enigma labs and at face value they

545
00:20:02,210 --> 00:20:00,960
were kind of cloaked behind we don't

546
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,220
want to tell you who we are what we're

547
00:20:06,110 --> 00:20:04,320
doing we won't say whether we're sharing

548
00:20:07,970 --> 00:20:06,120
with the government or not we just want

549
00:20:09,409 --> 00:20:07,980
you to send us your info and a lot of

550
00:20:11,930 --> 00:20:09,419
people were like well at least when you

551
00:20:13,070 --> 00:20:11,940
send it to mufon there's some kind of

552
00:20:14,330 --> 00:20:13,080
assurance although I'm sure the

553
00:20:16,190 --> 00:20:14,340
government government knows everything

554
00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:16,200
and it's in all the mufon files of

555
00:20:20,690 --> 00:20:18,600
course right well we try to keep them

556
00:20:21,950 --> 00:20:20,700
from knowing it but yeah sure but I mean

557
00:20:23,870 --> 00:20:21,960
you just told us something very

558
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:23,880
important about how many meetings mufan

559
00:20:28,190 --> 00:20:26,400
has had in Congress but we have

560
00:20:29,630 --> 00:20:28,200
interviewed State directors and a lot of

561
00:20:31,450 --> 00:20:29,640
them on our show we've never heard that

562
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:31,460
but yeah because there's a lot about

563
00:20:35,630 --> 00:20:33,840
Enigma and they're coming in and they

564
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,640
have the special access programs with

565
00:20:38,990 --> 00:20:37,679
the government yeah so yeah like what

566
00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:39,000
are your thoughts on all this what do

567
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,860
you what can you tell us well look when

568
00:20:43,970 --> 00:20:42,240
you're the big kid on the Block you got

569
00:20:47,390 --> 00:20:43,980
a Target on your back mufon's been

570
00:20:49,970 --> 00:20:47,400
around for 55 years now almost

571
00:20:51,650 --> 00:20:49,980
um to be 55 next year we have we're the

572
00:20:53,810 --> 00:20:51,660
largest and oldest organization we have

573
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:53,820
the biggest database our membership is

574
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:55,919
thriving and then there's a lot of

575
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,080
enigma is a private company funded by

576
00:21:02,690 --> 00:21:00,480
private money and yeah they're out there

577
00:21:03,770 --> 00:21:02,700
advertising oh send your UFO reports to

578
00:21:05,810 --> 00:21:03,780
us and

579
00:21:07,610 --> 00:21:05,820
um and and you know that's true that

580
00:21:10,510 --> 00:21:07,620
they're doing that and

581
00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:10,520
the thing is is with mufon we're we're a

582
00:21:16,430 --> 00:21:13,260
not-for-profit organization to serve the

583
00:21:19,490 --> 00:21:16,440
public if you want to make sure that

584
00:21:21,770 --> 00:21:19,500
this data doesn't get usurped then you

585
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:21,780
put it someplace like mufon because we

586
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,240
all know what happened today to valuable

587
00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:26,400
data when Robert Bigelow was in charge

588
00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:28,620
of collecting it it's still sitting at

589
00:21:33,230 --> 00:21:30,600
Bigelow Aerospace in files that he's

590
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:33,240
never going to share and so

591
00:21:37,490 --> 00:21:35,280
um yeah that's the danger of dealing

592
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:37,500
with some of these organizations and uh

593
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:38,640
you know Ben I'm going to show you

594
00:21:42,049 --> 00:21:39,840
something you're just going to crack up

595
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,059
when you see this Ben Hansen is involved

596
00:21:47,149 --> 00:21:44,880
in in Enigma I'm friends with Ben yeah

597
00:21:48,649 --> 00:21:47,159
we've interviewed Ben Alejandra Rojas

598
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,659
there's a few of the members that are

599
00:21:52,370 --> 00:21:50,640
starting to emerge but it was weird

600
00:21:55,549 --> 00:21:52,380
initially if you searched Enigma on

601
00:21:57,289 --> 00:21:55,559
LinkedIn it was like Alejandro Rojas and

602
00:21:58,730 --> 00:21:57,299
four other random people one guy had a

603
00:22:01,010 --> 00:21:58,740
totally Mexican page with no English

604
00:22:03,169 --> 00:22:01,020
writing on it and it just seemed like it

605
00:22:05,210 --> 00:22:03,179
was a team of five people how could they

606
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,220
be doing something none of them seem to

607
00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:06,960
have other than Alejandro none of them

608
00:22:12,409 --> 00:22:09,900
seem to have any UFO related credentials

609
00:22:14,690 --> 00:22:12,419
one was like a computer science guy one

610
00:22:16,909 --> 00:22:14,700
was like uh I don't even remember but

611
00:22:19,610 --> 00:22:16,919
they didn't strike me as the dream team

612
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:19,620
of ufologist tackling this so was it

613
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:24,000
just Louis and and Jane Ron um was it

614
00:22:28,750 --> 00:22:25,919
the funding that they got for this yeah

615
00:22:30,529 --> 00:22:28,760
it's it's the money they got money

616
00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:30,539
yes they're doing they're doing

617
00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:32,580
advertising they're setting stuff up you

618
00:22:36,049 --> 00:22:33,780
know they're basically becoming a

619
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:36,059
commercial version of what we do but you

620
00:22:42,049 --> 00:22:39,120
know even inside of enigma these people

621
00:22:44,029 --> 00:22:42,059
understand who the OG is and and let me

622
00:22:45,169 --> 00:22:44,039
just prove that here yeah there's been

623
00:22:47,149 --> 00:22:45,179
yeah

624
00:22:49,610 --> 00:22:47,159
the thing that I heard just that he's

625
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:49,620
holding me is the original mufon t-shirt

626
00:22:54,169 --> 00:22:52,380
yeah can you see that yeah and I like

627
00:22:56,990 --> 00:22:54,179
the fun teacher that says doing the Air

628
00:22:59,210 --> 00:22:57,000
Force's job since 1969. I think that's

629
00:23:01,850 --> 00:22:59,220
pretty cool just a touchdown anyway

630
00:23:03,710 --> 00:23:01,860
these groups out there um you know Rojas

631
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:03,720
used to be a part of mufon he was he was

632
00:23:06,590 --> 00:23:04,799
high up

633
00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:06,600
um Ben Hansen I have nothing but respect

634
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:08,460
for I like Alejandro

635
00:23:13,070 --> 00:23:11,039
um I wish that

636
00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:13,080
some of the things that they're saying

637
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,380
are blatant kind of Jabs that move on

638
00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:19,200
but we're we're at the point now where

639
00:23:23,930 --> 00:23:22,260
we're unassailable and nobody is ever

640
00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:23,940
going to have a database like ours

641
00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:25,260
nobody is ever going to have an

642
00:23:29,470 --> 00:23:27,000
organizational membership like ours

643
00:23:32,270 --> 00:23:29,480
nobody's ever going to be as

644
00:23:33,710 --> 00:23:32,280
entrenched in some of these programs and

645
00:23:36,409 --> 00:23:33,720
some of the and some of this disclosure

646
00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:36,419
movement in DC as we are and it comes

647
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:38,460
with the territory it moved on for a

648
00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:41,039
long time has been like the the the part

649
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:42,600
of the field that people could they

650
00:23:46,370 --> 00:23:44,700
could take our data and make entire TV

651
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,380
shows and projects out of it with no

652
00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:48,720
repercussions they could trash us

653
00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:50,520
anytime somebody didn't like the way a

654
00:23:54,649 --> 00:23:52,860
state director treated somebody else and

655
00:23:56,450 --> 00:23:54,659
those days those days are over because

656
00:23:57,890 --> 00:23:56,460
we've risen above all of that to the

657
00:24:00,590 --> 00:23:57,900
point where

658
00:24:02,210 --> 00:24:00,600
um there's just too much good in this

659
00:24:04,490 --> 00:24:02,220
organization and nobody's ever going to

660
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,500
be able to catch us yeah and mufon will

661
00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:06,960
take the account and report it you know

662
00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:08,820
using obviously its standards of

663
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:11,820
investigative techniques but Nick as far

664
00:24:15,850 --> 00:24:13,440
as I know it's all algorithm based

665
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:15,860
computer-based and depending on the

666
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,720
classification of close encounter it

667
00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:21,360
gets more or less probability so if

668
00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:22,980
somebody reports a light in the sky

669
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,799
that's maybe a two out of ten on their

670
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,080
scale whereas if somebody sees a craft

671
00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:30,240
sees inhabitants it gets a much higher

672
00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:32,460
but there may be people that don't

673
00:24:37,010 --> 00:24:34,860
remember they haven't been hypnotically

674
00:24:39,289 --> 00:24:37,020
regressed so they might only remember a

675
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,299
light in the sky but it might be a a

676
00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:41,520
crazy story once you start digging a

677
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,320
little bit or pulling away the curtains

678
00:24:48,049 --> 00:24:45,600
so if you're gonna look if if somebody

679
00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:48,059
has the resources to go and hypnotically

680
00:24:51,470 --> 00:24:49,559
regress somebody who makes a report

681
00:24:52,730 --> 00:24:51,480
about a light in the sky right they're

682
00:24:55,610 --> 00:24:52,740
going to run out of money pretty damn

683
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:55,620
yeah I get that too yeah you can't but

684
00:24:58,610 --> 00:24:56,760
the thing I like though is there's no

685
00:25:01,490 --> 00:24:58,620
filter really with mufon they'll take it

686
00:25:02,690 --> 00:25:01,500
all whereas we don't investigate

687
00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:02,700
everything

688
00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:03,720
um obviously because we don't have

689
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:05,580
enough people but but yeah we take the

690
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:07,980
reports in two new things that mufon has

691
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:11,520
that is really fun is our UFO map app so

692
00:25:16,669 --> 00:25:13,860
you can track UFO sightings around the

693
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:16,679
world in real time and our social media

694
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,360
Network that you can download put on

695
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:20,159
your phone and it's a whole worldwide

696
00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:22,860
Community uh and these are two these are

697
00:25:26,269 --> 00:25:24,360
things that we just added that are that

698
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:26,279
are just really exciting and then you

699
00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:27,600
know we have our own Laboratories now

700
00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:29,700
not something where we can send stuff

701
00:25:33,769 --> 00:25:31,799
out we actually built a laboratory that

702
00:25:37,930 --> 00:25:33,779
can do rudimentary testing on physical

703
00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:37,940
evidence and we also have a new photo

704
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,500
analysis set up the state of the art

705
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:43,200
everything and uh yeah so that's just

706
00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:44,580
some of the stuff

707
00:25:50,690 --> 00:25:48,600
yeah no I you know Lou Elizondo in your

708
00:25:53,330 --> 00:25:50,700
movie had a statement that he said that

709
00:25:56,269 --> 00:25:53,340
we the witnesses experiencers of of

710
00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:56,279
these things were right all along

711
00:26:00,049 --> 00:25:58,200
and we've been waiting for somebody from

712
00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:00,059
the government to come out and say hey

713
00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:02,820
there's something going on Lou was our

714
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,580
champion and people like piranhas just

715
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,919
turned around and tried to eat them to

716
00:26:12,169 --> 00:26:10,080
shreds but he's the one coming out

717
00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:12,179
saying Hey guys you're right there is

718
00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:14,760
something going on I investigated it and

719
00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:16,200
these guys don't want it out but I'll

720
00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:19,080
tell you that it's out there him and uh

721
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:21,539
Christopher melon which you know has a

722
00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:23,039
pair of balls on him because he walked

723
00:26:27,769 --> 00:26:25,020
out of the defense department with the

724
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,779
three videos and uh you know for Tom

725
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,000
DeLonge released I'm like you know how

726
00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:33,120
much guts that takes and that's first as

727
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:34,500
far as I know it's the first time in

728
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:36,600
history that somebody just walked out of

729
00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:38,340
the defense department with those tapes

730
00:26:41,690 --> 00:26:40,020
and you know there's a lot of people

731
00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:41,700
that think that whole rollout is by

732
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,320
Design in the movie right we explore

733
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:45,360
that you know Ralph Blumenthal who broke

734
00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:46,799
the story he's like oh no this is

735
00:26:51,289 --> 00:26:49,559
complete Serendipity um I I don't think

736
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:51,299
that's really the case I think that the

737
00:26:56,029 --> 00:26:52,980
you know this was organized and planned

738
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,039
and and authorized on some level and I

739
00:26:59,450 --> 00:26:58,080
don't know and you know I I think that

740
00:27:01,130 --> 00:26:59,460
once you're in the intelligence

741
00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:01,140
Community to the level that Lou is

742
00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:03,720
you're never not working it's not like

743
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:05,580
you retire and you walk away and you're

744
00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:07,140
not listening to taking orders and

745
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,720
listening to people anymore so

746
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,240
um the the whole roll out of this was

747
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:14,400
very in my opinion was planned

748
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,380
orchestrated and then a couple things

749
00:27:21,649 --> 00:27:18,000
went wrong because there were people

750
00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:21,659
inside the the agencies that didn't want

751
00:27:25,549 --> 00:27:23,880
the information out and they had a

752
00:27:27,289 --> 00:27:25,559
chance to get off their back feet and

753
00:27:29,210 --> 00:27:27,299
come back and fight and so what we've

754
00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:29,220
been seeing play out in the public Arena

755
00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:32,580
since 2018 is the results of this one

756
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,659
minute they'll be oh yeah there's

757
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:35,279
materials the next minute the pentagon's

758
00:27:39,230 --> 00:27:37,260
saying oh no that's not true and and and

759
00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:39,240
you know we're going to name an agency

760
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,620
we're going to rename an agency we're

761
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:42,000
going to start an agency we're going to

762
00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:43,679
cancel an agency

763
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:45,960
um it's it's a big dog and pony show

764
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:48,720
over this evidence and do I think that

765
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:52,799
Lou and Chris genuinely want to see this

766
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:54,360
stuff come out more and more I think

767
00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:56,520
that if they had a personal choice voice

768
00:28:02,090 --> 00:27:59,820
in it of course they do but that doesn't

769
00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:02,100
mean that they're going to do things

770
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:04,200
that they're told not to do I think they

771
00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:05,760
know what they can say they know how far

772
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:08,220
they can go and it's all part of this

773
00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:09,840
new narrative that's being rolled out

774
00:28:14,269 --> 00:28:11,820
which says this is all new information

775
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:14,279
since 2004.

776
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:16,020
um and accidental truth is all about

777
00:28:19,610 --> 00:28:17,940
saying no it's not we know that these

778
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:19,620
programs have been going on we can prove

779
00:28:24,649 --> 00:28:21,900
they exist we know what you guys studied

780
00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:24,659
we got John Alexander coming out for the

781
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:27,480
first time ever I mean his his entire

782
00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:30,960
section in the film is like just Bam Bam

783
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:33,059
Bam Bam Bam and this is a guy that was

784
00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:35,340
front facing for the longest time saying

785
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,140
oh there's nothing to do with those UFO

786
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:39,360
things it's just uh you know this and

787
00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:41,220
the whole time he's actually running one

788
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:42,900
of these programs and they know fully

789
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:45,000
well what's going on and even the

790
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,679
Alexanders and the melons and the

791
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,960
elizondos these guys are not read

792
00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:51,360
completely in they're they're like

793
00:28:55,789 --> 00:28:53,460
mid-tier you have the front-facing

794
00:28:58,010 --> 00:28:55,799
people that that whose job it is to just

795
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,020
have a fish denial then you have the

796
00:29:02,390 --> 00:29:00,000
Alexanders and the melons who have been

797
00:29:03,850 --> 00:29:02,400
told a certain amount of stuff but they

798
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:03,860
still haven't been told everything

799
00:29:09,409 --> 00:29:07,140
Alexander's first role was to

800
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,419
um in looking into UFOs

801
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:11,760
was to try and find out who had the

802
00:29:15,649 --> 00:29:13,559
information about Roswell and blah blah

803
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:15,659
blah what was going on with it and and

804
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:17,340
you know I think he reached a point

805
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,460
where he was read in enough that his

806
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:22,320
official role became well there was

807
00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:23,700
nothing happened to Roswell it was just

808
00:29:27,230 --> 00:29:25,799
you know and he says that sorry John I'm

809
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,240
impersonating you

810
00:29:31,370 --> 00:29:29,760
um but I was also a good Seth Rogen

811
00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:31,380
impersonation I'm just gonna say it

812
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,940
sounds like Seth Rogen if John is

813
00:29:36,049 --> 00:29:34,559
listening get in touch with us we'd love

814
00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:36,059
to have you on the show I like oh I'm

815
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:38,039
gonna see him I'm going to see him um

816
00:29:44,769 --> 00:29:39,720
very shortly

817
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:47,810
you're talking about sort of the dangers

818
00:29:51,409 --> 00:29:49,980
and you mentioned Lou Elizondo Jay and

819
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:51,419
how like what happens to people when

820
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,679
they come out and I heard you mention

821
00:29:57,169 --> 00:29:54,480
another program that making this film

822
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,179
you had some fears associated with like

823
00:30:00,289 --> 00:29:59,039
releasing this info I think you even

824
00:30:02,029 --> 00:30:00,299
said you thought maybe somebody might

825
00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:02,039
try to off you or something because of

826
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:04,020
it well you know I don't want to be all

827
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:05,880
tinfoil hat paranoid but I had some

828
00:30:11,450 --> 00:30:08,399
weird things happen and um still to this

829
00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:11,460
day dude if I told you the level of

830
00:30:18,590 --> 00:30:15,720
treachery it lies deceit threats coming

831
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:18,600
from some very front-facing people if if

832
00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:20,580
I ever decide to go public with it it's

833
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:22,440
going to be absolutely insane making

834
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,020
this movie there was not a minute until

835
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:27,919
April 18th when I saw it on Prime video

836
00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:30,600
that I was 100 convinced it was ever

837
00:30:35,389 --> 00:30:32,760
going to come out I was waiting for the

838
00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:35,399
other shoe to drop constantly we've got

839
00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:38,940
people that are in the film that

840
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:41,100
pretended to support the film and then

841
00:30:45,529 --> 00:30:43,140
tried to stop it from behind the scenes

842
00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:45,539
we've got people inside the companies

843
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:47,159
that were all involved in the in the

844
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:49,620
distribution process doing all kinds of

845
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:51,480
questionable things

846
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,320
um

847
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:54,720
it's quite a story it's it's probably

848
00:30:58,730 --> 00:30:57,120
his biggest story as the film itself do

849
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,740
you think that's poisonous competition

850
00:31:02,269 --> 00:31:00,480
like is it competition there's a certain

851
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,279
amount of business competition there's a

852
00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:03,600
certain amount yeah because let's face

853
00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:05,880
it there's a couple of guys that are

854
00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:09,480
that are in the uh in the UFO movie and

855
00:31:13,310 --> 00:31:11,460
they and they and they want to stay at

856
00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:13,320
the top and accidental truth is a film

857
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,520
that that

858
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,279
nobody expected it to be what it is when

859
00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:18,960
at first when they first gave me the

860
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:21,000
deal to make it

861
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,880
I was told by by somebody who's in the

862
00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:25,919
film in a very prominent attorney that

863
00:31:30,169 --> 00:31:28,140
it was a uh it was a catch and kill

864
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:30,179
situation they they knew that I had some

865
00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:31,740
material and they didn't want me to be

866
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,000
the one that came out with it so they

867
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:35,039
gave me the contract uh with the

868
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:38,760
potential intention of burying the film

869
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:41,399
and I knew that because I was warned

870
00:31:45,649 --> 00:31:43,980
early on and so my solution to it was

871
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,659
just to make it bigger and bigger and

872
00:31:49,850 --> 00:31:48,000
unbearable so that's when I got Matthew

873
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,860
Modine to narrate it that's when I

874
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:51,600
brought in Michio Kaku that's when I

875
00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:53,039
brought in Ralph Blumenthal and Gary

876
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:55,380
Nolan and all these people that just

877
00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:58,799
rounded out this cast and even then the

878
00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:01,140
release got botched by just a bunch of

879
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,000
really stupid stuff like the wrong cast

880
00:32:06,889 --> 00:32:04,799
list and the wrong metadata being

881
00:32:10,010 --> 00:32:06,899
delivered to the stores

882
00:32:12,769 --> 00:32:10,020
um before the film was even released a

883
00:32:15,169 --> 00:32:12,779
team of people went to IMDb and rated it

884
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:15,179
one star so that it would have popped on

885
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:17,159
Amazon it would show a really low rating

886
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,580
oh no yeah it's and and and this is

887
00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:22,559
before you could even see the film if

888
00:32:27,250 --> 00:32:24,539
you're trying to sabotage yeah before it

889
00:32:30,769 --> 00:32:27,260
even had a single star rating on IMDb

890
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:30,779
Somebody went to IMDb and and gave it

891
00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:33,840
six one star ratings so what that meant

892
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:35,940
was that when it appeared on Amazon for

893
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:37,980
the first time you'd see a film with one

894
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,480
star rating because in until the star

895
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:41,760
ratings catch up they use the IMDB

896
00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:45,120
ratings and the review bombs of people

897
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:47,100
just giving it one star and saying just

898
00:32:52,010 --> 00:32:50,220
ludicrous things it's it's all this in

899
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:52,020
this inner group of people that have

900
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:53,820
tried to sabotage a movie before it even

901
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:56,700
hit the ground running and um and and

902
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,000
I'm still dealing with that and it uh

903
00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:01,919
they still don't have the stuff right on

904
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:03,539
Amazon I mean the film's narrated by

905
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:05,220
Matthew Modine you go to Amazon you

906
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,260
don't see that you got to dig for it I

907
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,360
mean this dude's an A-list actor and you

908
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:11,279
don't even know he's involved in half of

909
00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:12,600
the the stuff where they rolled it out

910
00:33:17,649 --> 00:33:13,799
because they put it out with the wrong

911
00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:21,590
yeah that's um being stupid yeah that's

912
00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:23,640
we've got we've got we've got Dr Greer

913
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:26,279
put out end game and then we have the

914
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,440
his new movie Lost century and I'm

915
00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:30,480
sandwiched in between those two films I

916
00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:32,100
have this little window for this to gain

917
00:33:36,049 --> 00:33:34,620
traction and there's been so many knee

918
00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:36,059
cappings

919
00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:38,580
um you know like like Coast to Coast AM

920
00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:42,600
uh have intentionally dissed the film

921
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,899
Tom Tom danheiser basically

922
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,799
um

923
00:33:50,269 --> 00:33:48,720
there was an interview that I did with

924
00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:50,279
Cheryl Jones

925
00:33:54,289 --> 00:33:52,019
um about the mufon Symposium that was

926
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:54,299
coming up and that was green lighted and

927
00:33:57,470 --> 00:33:56,039
then danheiser put the kibosh on it

928
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:57,480
never saw the light of day even though

929
00:34:01,370 --> 00:33:59,580
it was edited and ready to go and now

930
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:01,380
that I've got this

931
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:03,299
um you know there's some people involved

932
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,860
in that Circle that aren't happy with

933
00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:06,960
the film and so they've they've

934
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:09,540
intentionally just completely ignored it

935
00:34:14,089 --> 00:34:13,200
in fact when the debrief magazine picked

936
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:14,099
up

937
00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:17,339
um uh did an article about it where they

938
00:34:21,169 --> 00:34:18,899
said it laid out the most compelling

939
00:34:24,109 --> 00:34:21,179
case ever for UFOs it was a very nice

940
00:34:25,849 --> 00:34:24,119
review Coast to Coast's algorithm picked

941
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,859
it up and put it on the on their page

942
00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:27,839
but if you go right now and I think you

943
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,780
could do it if you search uh

944
00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:32,639
um accidental truth you'll find where

945
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:35,339
Coast to Coast picked up the story but

946
00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:39,060
then the words that are on the page have

947
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,919
nothing to do with the movie so it's

948
00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:42,240
like somebody said oh wait a minute we

949
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,619
can't put that on there and they and

950
00:34:47,329 --> 00:34:45,599
they and they wiped it out so there's a

951
00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:47,339
lot of that going on it's it it's really

952
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:49,560
off the charts and the reason is because

953
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:52,440
this is the movie It's it and people

954
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:54,119
need to see it and I'm not saying that

955
00:34:57,950 --> 00:34:55,679
because I'm I want people to rent it

956
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,960
this is the one that lays it out and all

957
00:35:01,070 --> 00:34:59,760
these other guys are taking little bits

958
00:35:03,230 --> 00:35:01,080
and pieces of it and putting it into

959
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:03,240
their own stuff and at the end of the

960
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:04,740
day if people don't see this film

961
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:08,220
they're going to get another diluted uh

962
00:35:13,970 --> 00:35:11,640
version of the facts and then so you

963
00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:13,980
know it's doing pretty good I think but

964
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:16,260
everybody needs to see this and you

965
00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:17,880
brought up a good point too the Messiah

966
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,180
complex that seems to be dominant in

967
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:23,040
ufology especially right now because the

968
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:25,500
subject is so freaking hot

969
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,640
um you know Louie and I tried to

970
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,560
approach this as humble as we can with

971
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:30,720
humility and just saying we don't know

972
00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:33,060
let's find out together some people just

973
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,980
have it in their heads that I know

974
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:36,960
things people tell me things I'm the

975
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:38,760
Messiah I'm the only one who knows the

976
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:43,020
truth look the E.T phenomenon aliens the

977
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,480
the whole answer to this is not a cult

978
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:48,240
and it's not a religion and it never

979
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:53,040
should be okay and and so yeah I know I

980
00:35:57,230 --> 00:35:54,480
know what you're talking about it's

981
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,240
really shocking uh what I've seen and

982
00:36:01,010 --> 00:35:59,280
I'm because of some stuff that's just

983
00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:01,020
happened in the last few days where some

984
00:36:05,089 --> 00:36:03,000
facts have been revealed to me that are

985
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:05,099
just off the charts you know when I

986
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:06,480
finish making the movie there were times

987
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:07,920
when I was making accidental truths

988
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,260
where I would literally sit looking at

989
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:12,240
my computer and looking at the things

990
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,280
that these people were saying and I and

991
00:36:18,890 --> 00:36:16,320
I'd just be like this just shaking my

992
00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:18,900
head because it's it's just like

993
00:36:25,069 --> 00:36:22,859
shocking the the amount of deception and

994
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:25,079
the and the extremes the people have

995
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,480
been willing to go to cover up this

996
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,520
information as far as killing people I

997
00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:31,440
don't think they do that anymore but but

998
00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:33,900
there was a time

999
00:36:39,050 --> 00:36:36,660
um that you know that and but

1000
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,060
this secret has been these guys will do

1001
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,280
anything to keep the secret and and not

1002
00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:42,960
the guys like Lou and Chris and all

1003
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,339
these guys I'm talking about the people

1004
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,560
that really have the information yeah

1005
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:48,960
and um you know for people that say well

1006
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:50,760
I've already seen the information that's

1007
00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:52,140
in the movie well you've never seen

1008
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,780
Chris melon kind of inadvertently admit

1009
00:36:58,910 --> 00:36:56,640
there's crash debris being studied by a

1010
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:58,920
group he couldn't access he does that in

1011
00:37:03,650 --> 00:37:01,200
the film you've never seen Lou Elizondo

1012
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:03,660
basically accidentally admit there is a

1013
00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:07,380
uh something there isn't they uh and

1014
00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:09,060
you've you've never seen a lot of the

1015
00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:11,400
things that are in this and there are

1016
00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:12,660
some people that are not very happy

1017
00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:15,540
about what I what I put out there right

1018
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,300
now in terms of this being or people

1019
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:19,920
saying it's a giant government

1020
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:21,780
conspiracy you know you mentioned Steve

1021
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,400
Bassett he's a friend of ours we've had

1022
00:37:27,230 --> 00:37:24,960
him on a few times he calls them more of

1023
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:27,240
a truth embargo not that it's some

1024
00:37:31,069 --> 00:37:28,920
nefarious thing but that there's good

1025
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:31,079
reasoning behind it and then earlier in

1026
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,060
this interview you said that it is so

1027
00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:35,040
compartmentalized even the guys we think

1028
00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:36,660
of as being big players they haven't

1029
00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:39,000
been read in on this so if it is really

1030
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:40,920
just a very small number of people that

1031
00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:44,160
actually know it is not a great grand

1032
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:46,680
conspiracy but again you look at the

1033
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:48,660
behavior of the government for 75 years

1034
00:37:53,390 --> 00:37:50,940
it's got a lot of redactions and

1035
00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:53,400
telltale signs that it is a secret so

1036
00:37:57,950 --> 00:37:55,320
what are your thoughts on the whole is

1037
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,960
it a big conspiracy well the thing is is

1038
00:38:01,849 --> 00:38:00,000
that once it got under control of

1039
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:01,859
whatever group was assigned to manage

1040
00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:04,260
the information we have

1041
00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:06,420
um you know the mj-12 now maybe that's

1042
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:08,940
not the guys and maybe that's not the

1043
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,660
group

1044
00:38:14,089 --> 00:38:11,760
I personally think that it probably was

1045
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:14,099
yeah but at the end of the day that's

1046
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:15,960
neither here nor there there would have

1047
00:38:20,450 --> 00:38:18,300
been some sort of group put together to

1048
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:20,460
manage this when it when it came to

1049
00:38:24,589 --> 00:38:22,680
light and like we point out in the film

1050
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:24,599
you know during the transition from the

1051
00:38:28,670 --> 00:38:26,820
Air Force to the Army or from the Army

1052
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:28,680
to the Air Force the end of World War II

1053
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,280
there was a lot going on and so why did

1054
00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:34,320
they form the interplanetary research

1055
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:35,880
phenomenon unit of the special

1056
00:38:40,370 --> 00:38:38,220
investigative branch of the army why you

1057
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:40,380
know as Matthew Modine cleverly puts it

1058
00:38:42,829 --> 00:38:42,060
in the film well I wrote it but he said

1059
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:42,839
it

1060
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:48,000
like hello that's a very poignant

1061
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:49,200
question

1062
00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:50,640
um so anyways

1063
00:38:55,069 --> 00:38:52,500
once it was decided that this

1064
00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:55,079
information was going to be managed then

1065
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,820
people decided how to manage it which

1066
00:39:00,770 --> 00:38:58,560
was basically we can't tell people what

1067
00:39:02,690 --> 00:39:00,780
what we what we know and there could be

1068
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:02,700
a lot of reasons one you know you can't

1069
00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:05,040
go to the public and say we're we have

1070
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,800
no control over our own destiny uh the

1071
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:09,839
other is that there's technology that

1072
00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:11,700
these corporations have sequestered away

1073
00:39:15,410 --> 00:39:13,140
and they're not going to come off that

1074
00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:15,420
stuff and we have paper trails in the

1075
00:39:19,790 --> 00:39:17,880
film that pretty much shows the some of

1076
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:19,800
this technology and and the fact that

1077
00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:22,800
it's stated Origins are incorrect and

1078
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:24,839
that we can prove that it came out of a

1079
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,700
whole other program and it's not

1080
00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:29,520
questionable it's the the documentation

1081
00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:31,980
is there and so

1082
00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:33,720
there's a lot of reasons for keeping it

1083
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:35,640
a secret but now it's you know like

1084
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:37,740
Lockheed might have some piece of

1085
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,240
technology somebody else might have

1086
00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:41,760
something else where it came from nobody

1087
00:39:47,630 --> 00:39:44,579
even knows anymore so yeah the whole

1088
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,640
truth of this is is toast as far as us

1089
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,160
ever getting everything laid out from

1090
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:53,280
point A to point B but the reason for

1091
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,780
the secrecy could there's a lot of

1092
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:57,359
reasons I think all of them are pretty

1093
00:40:02,030 --> 00:39:58,680
sad

1094
00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:02,040
um but it's all context too is you know

1095
00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:04,260
what if what if these things are hostile

1096
00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:06,119
to us then there's a reason for not

1097
00:40:10,609 --> 00:40:07,260
telling people

1098
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:10,619
yeah one thing I noticed right after the

1099
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:13,020
first hearing on UFOs Marco Rubio baba

1100
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,800
baba UFOs UFOs UFOs right and um then

1101
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,720
all of a sudden after that uh that

1102
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:20,400
behind closed doors Intel committee

1103
00:40:25,130 --> 00:40:22,440
briefing none of those guys came out

1104
00:40:28,190 --> 00:40:25,140
even talking about it anymore Rubio went

1105
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,200
crickets on UFOs and one of the things

1106
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:30,720
that I think might be at play here it's

1107
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:33,839
a lot easier to get somebody to keep a

1108
00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:36,240
secret because they agree a secret needs

1109
00:40:40,609 --> 00:40:38,700
to be kept than it is to threaten them

1110
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:40,619
into Keeping a Secret so in other words

1111
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:42,540
you could say to these guys inside these

1112
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:45,660
Intel Chambers look guys

1113
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,160
we're going to tell you some stuff but

1114
00:40:51,710 --> 00:40:49,200
if you if you come out with any of it if

1115
00:40:52,849 --> 00:40:51,720
your staffers leak it blah blah blah uh

1116
00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:52,859
you know we're gonna go after your

1117
00:40:55,970 --> 00:40:54,119
family you're gonna lose your pension

1118
00:40:57,230 --> 00:40:55,980
you know all the kind of typical threats

1119
00:40:59,150 --> 00:40:57,240
that you hear

1120
00:41:01,490 --> 00:40:59,160
but still somebody sooner or later is

1121
00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:01,500
going to do it but if it's more like

1122
00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:02,940
look

1123
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:06,060
the world can't know this and here's why

1124
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:08,040
and they're like oh gosh you know

1125
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:09,900
there's a reason Reagan had his was

1126
00:41:15,230 --> 00:41:12,960
crying with his hands head in his hands

1127
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,240
um right around some of this UFO talk

1128
00:41:19,790 --> 00:41:17,760
and there's and so what if there's a

1129
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:19,800
whole nefarious element to this that we

1130
00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:21,780
don't know and that's one of the biggest

1131
00:41:27,530 --> 00:41:23,820
reasons for the secrecy

1132
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:27,540
yeah also I think that our species is at

1133
00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:28,920
the bottom of the totem pole when it

1134
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:31,980
comes down to intelligent life oh yeah I

1135
00:41:36,770 --> 00:41:34,380
mean we're we're tadpoles in a pond oh

1136
00:41:40,930 --> 00:41:36,780
absolutely absolutely at the very best

1137
00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:40,940
for genetic assets and at the oops sorry

1138
00:41:45,550 --> 00:41:43,430
big Autumn Louis

1139
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:45,560
[Laughter]

1140
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:48,960
Schneider moment yeah no hopefully not I

1141
00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:51,420
mean the movie's out now yeah no but

1142
00:41:56,089 --> 00:41:54,300
it's you know the complexity of the

1143
00:41:58,430 --> 00:41:56,099
visitations and especially like our

1144
00:42:00,410 --> 00:41:58,440
armies designed to kill other humans

1145
00:42:02,569 --> 00:42:00,420
that's what our technology is designed

1146
00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:02,579
to do and like Louie and I always joke

1147
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,619
we put all these satellites and weapons

1148
00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:06,240
in space but they're all pointing back

1149
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,460
at ourselves like we're holding guns to

1150
00:42:12,650 --> 00:42:10,800
ourselves right nothing pointing out

1151
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:12,660
well that might be who knows at this

1152
00:42:17,089 --> 00:42:15,060
point yeah but we see things like if we

1153
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:17,099
interviewed a gentleman yesterday that

1154
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,380
has been in you know investigating NASA

1155
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,119
and all these events that they've seen

1156
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,520
and astronauts have seen and you clearly

1157
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:25,680
see crafts or something of intelligence

1158
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,160
come down from outer space into the

1159
00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:31,440
Earth's atmosphere we know that there

1160
00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:33,000
once they're in a they're called Fast

1161
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:34,740
Walkers when they're up there they enter

1162
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,500
our atmosphere they're uaps or UFOs then

1163
00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:39,119
they go into the water which now they're

1164
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,579
Usos so we have no word that encompasses

1165
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:44,400
the actual craft itself unless it's

1166
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:47,160
multi me medium craft or something yeah

1167
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,380
they describe it in the new legislation

1168
00:42:53,569 --> 00:42:51,599
all domain anomalies

1169
00:42:54,829 --> 00:42:53,579
yeah there you go but you know here's

1170
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:54,839
the thing

1171
00:42:59,930 --> 00:42:57,660
they deny that we're tracking this stuff

1172
00:43:02,030 --> 00:42:59,940
yeah you know I mean you can't you get

1173
00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:02,040
you're telling me that we couldn't see a

1174
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:04,500
giant weather balloon from China lurking

1175
00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:06,540
in our atmosphere with the satellites we

1176
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:09,300
got yeah yeah and so you know we know

1177
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,720
that the NORAD routinely tracks UAP

1178
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:13,920
um and we know that they've been doing

1179
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,480
it for a long time and there's probably

1180
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:18,240
a complete facility that just tracks

1181
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:21,540
uaps yeah so you know it's just all lies

1182
00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:24,660
lies lies and you know normally I'm a

1183
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,940
lot more reserved um on these these

1184
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,800
interviews but I got to tell you I'm

1185
00:43:32,690 --> 00:43:30,960
just so

1186
00:43:34,849 --> 00:43:32,700
I'm a little bit uptight about some of

1187
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:34,859
the stuff that's been going on and um

1188
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:37,920
Dan I get more and more uptight about

1189
00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:40,380
the the extent that these people are

1190
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:42,839
willing to carry these lies and when I

1191
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:44,460
first started to make accidental truth I

1192
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,380
was very militant I was angry at all

1193
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,240
these guys I'm like I'm gonna get you

1194
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,640
for this and um then I started to kind

1195
00:43:54,890 --> 00:43:52,800
of understand well you know

1196
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:54,900
these people are patriots a lot of them

1197
00:43:59,809 --> 00:43:58,380
the the the guys like Lou Elizondo okay

1198
00:44:01,970 --> 00:43:59,819
people can say what they want to say

1199
00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:01,980
about is he still working is he running

1200
00:44:07,849 --> 00:44:05,220
an OP right now maybe I tend to think

1201
00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:07,859
that that's a possibility but he's doing

1202
00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:10,980
his duty that he was sworn to do and

1203
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:12,780
rather we agree with how that plays out

1204
00:44:18,349 --> 00:44:16,020
or not you have to respect him for that

1205
00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:18,359
you know the these are people that

1206
00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:20,520
honestly believe that they're Duty bound

1207
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:21,960
to do whatever it is that they're told

1208
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,540
to do and

1209
00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:26,640
even though we're like well no you've

1210
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:28,440
got the keys to one of the biggest

1211
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,140
questions ever facing humanity and

1212
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,880
you're just going to sit there like I

1213
00:44:35,450 --> 00:44:34,079
said in the beginning of the film I'm

1214
00:44:38,030 --> 00:44:35,460
sitting in this room with these people

1215
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:38,040
that that know all this stuff and all I

1216
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:39,359
can think about is getting them to tell

1217
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:41,640
me something they don't want me to know

1218
00:44:46,490 --> 00:44:43,200
um that's what that's what it's been

1219
00:44:48,589 --> 00:44:46,500
like for me for like 10 12 13 years

1220
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:48,599
um trying to get answers out of people

1221
00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:50,700
that don't want to share them but are

1222
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:52,260
these people wrong

1223
00:44:57,050 --> 00:44:55,260
that that changed for me I used to think

1224
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:57,060
yeah absolutely you're wrong to to do

1225
00:45:02,030 --> 00:45:00,180
this to Harbor these secrets but I don't

1226
00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:02,040
I'm not sure about that anymore I think

1227
00:45:07,309 --> 00:45:05,220
that you know if you're somebody in this

1228
00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:07,319
mid level it's kind of above your pay

1229
00:45:11,569 --> 00:45:09,000
grade to make the decision who gets told

1230
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:11,579
what and when and no matter what your

1231
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:13,380
personal preferences are you have to

1232
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,780
abide by your duty and you know thank

1233
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:17,760
God these guys actually have enough of

1234
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:20,880
uh a sense of Duty to do that but it is

1235
00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:23,760
frustrating as it can possibly be

1236
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:25,740
absolutely

1237
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:27,900
no you mentioned um earlier that you

1238
00:45:31,609 --> 00:45:29,460
just want to lay everything out like

1239
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:31,619
you're making a case and if this was a

1240
00:45:35,329 --> 00:45:33,300
case in a court of law with the amount

1241
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,339
of witnesses and evidence and forensics

1242
00:45:40,849 --> 00:45:37,440
and everything else it would be a slam

1243
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:40,859
dunk right so it's not like it's a far

1244
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:42,300
stretch to think there might be

1245
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:45,060
something to it and your title is very

1246
00:45:48,770 --> 00:45:47,220
fitting because essentially you

1247
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,780
accomplished what you just said that you

1248
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:50,160
had to get these people to tell you

1249
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:51,839
stuff they don't want to tell you but

1250
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,640
the more they talk about their area of

1251
00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:55,200
expertise and the more they acknowledge

1252
00:45:59,630 --> 00:45:57,960
that certain things are possible in

1253
00:46:01,970 --> 00:45:59,640
essence they are giving you the truth

1254
00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:01,980
that is the answer you had them lay out

1255
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:04,680
the breadcrumbs unintentionally or

1256
00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:06,240
however you did it maybe you knew that

1257
00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:08,520
was going to happen but effectively they

1258
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:10,200
give you the answer they give the

1259
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:12,060
audience the answers we are looking for

1260
00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:15,060
maybe not in so many words but as you

1261
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:16,740
mentioned you need to watch it once

1262
00:46:21,410 --> 00:46:18,900
twice until you start really picking up

1263
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:21,420
the subtleties but these big name people

1264
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,160
we've had it happen on our show too like

1265
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,200
we interviewed all the big guys and it's

1266
00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:27,359
not trick or three but essentially we

1267
00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:28,859
lead them down a path and let's talk

1268
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:30,660
about it and go deeper deeper deeper at

1269
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,700
the end of it it's pretty clear what

1270
00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:34,560
they're saying you know like Gary

1271
00:46:38,690 --> 00:46:36,660
Nolan's not going to say but he'll say

1272
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:38,700
you know I haven't seen but I've been

1273
00:46:43,069 --> 00:46:40,859
told so like we let them have their

1274
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:43,079
little bit of that peace we know what

1275
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,400
they're trying to do for us and I think

1276
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,079
elizondo's done that his whole career

1277
00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:48,480
like don't ask me I can't tell you

1278
00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:50,520
everybody's watching what do you want

1279
00:46:54,290 --> 00:46:52,500
from me like I cannot reveal stuff I'm

1280
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,300
not supposed to right but I'm going to

1281
00:46:57,530 --> 00:46:56,160
give you the answer if you just shut up

1282
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,540
and listen to what I'm saying yeah pay

1283
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,760
attention yeah pay attention yeah

1284
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:01,440
nothing

1285
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:06,000
mean-spirited about the film I don't

1286
00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:07,680
call anybody a liar I don't attack

1287
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:09,000
anybody

1288
00:47:14,450 --> 00:47:11,460
um and I'm really really proud of that

1289
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:14,460
because what I wanted to do is is at the

1290
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:15,599
end of this thing I wanted to make sure

1291
00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:17,460
that all these guys would still talk to

1292
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:20,700
me I've accomplished most of that um

1293
00:47:23,450 --> 00:47:21,960
there's a couple people that aren't

1294
00:47:26,030 --> 00:47:23,460
going to return my calls but at the end

1295
00:47:29,089 --> 00:47:26,040
of the day that's okay but I made an

1296
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,099
honest film and and I and I really

1297
00:47:33,230 --> 00:47:31,680
worked hard to make sure that nobody was

1298
00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:33,240
being attacked

1299
00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:35,400
um and you know I don't call anybody a

1300
00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:37,740
liar in accidental truth I just let the

1301
00:47:41,809 --> 00:47:39,960
audience take up their own mind and what

1302
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:41,819
you said about watching it it is a film

1303
00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:44,520
that you did that consists of layers

1304
00:47:49,069 --> 00:47:47,460
um the first time you watch it it starts

1305
00:47:50,990 --> 00:47:49,079
you see something but the second time

1306
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,000
you watch it you start to notice some of

1307
00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:52,800
the subtleties by the time you watch it

1308
00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:55,140
the third time you start to realize how

1309
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,300
much deception is actually being

1310
00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:59,520
perpetrated right in front of your eyes

1311
00:48:03,410 --> 00:48:00,900
in the film when you're first you're

1312
00:48:04,670 --> 00:48:03,420
like oh that guy's pretty cool oh but

1313
00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:04,680
you know by the time you watch it the

1314
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:05,880
third or fourth time it's like that

1315
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:07,859
guy's lying to his teeth isn't he yeah

1316
00:48:12,349 --> 00:48:10,140
so yeah it's uh it's it's it's it's

1317
00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:12,359
definitely unique I hope it finds its

1318
00:48:16,430 --> 00:48:14,460
audience I guess it's doing okay I don't

1319
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,440
have numbers but

1320
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:18,000
um there's been a lot of things trying

1321
00:48:22,130 --> 00:48:19,500
to keep this film from getting into the

1322
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,140
mainstream and and it's uh it really

1323
00:48:26,089 --> 00:48:24,240
needs to be out there because this is

1324
00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:26,099
the one place that you can watch a film

1325
00:48:32,089 --> 00:48:28,980
and understand from a factual standpoint

1326
00:48:33,770 --> 00:48:32,099
what's going on I think if if you if you

1327
00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:33,780
laid this film out like I said in front

1328
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,640
of a jury and you know there's stuff

1329
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,920
that we touch on but there's paperwork

1330
00:48:42,349 --> 00:48:39,839
and documentation to back up everything

1331
00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:42,359
we say like when we talk about

1332
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,520
um uh Knight and all coming out of Patel

1333
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,800
Memorial Institute do we have the paper

1334
00:48:50,450 --> 00:48:48,720
trail for that we know the sciences that

1335
00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:50,460
did the studying we know all the stuff

1336
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:52,560
about titanium Alloys it was discovered

1337
00:48:56,510 --> 00:48:54,540
at Battelle that wasn't previously

1338
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:56,520
discovered and then we know that the

1339
00:49:00,349 --> 00:48:58,200
story about night and all the

1340
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,359
shape-shifting memory alloy coming out

1341
00:49:05,210 --> 00:49:02,400
of a naval weapons research laboratory a

1342
00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:05,220
few years later that's not true it was

1343
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:07,260
it was ported to them so that they could

1344
00:49:12,290 --> 00:49:08,940
say oh look what we got but that's not

1345
00:49:14,270 --> 00:49:12,300
where it came from and and so all of

1346
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,280
that stuff that just we we talk about in

1347
00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:16,800
the movie there is actual complete paper

1348
00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:18,540
trail documentation so if you were

1349
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:21,000
cross-examined on any of it we can put

1350
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,280
it out and that'll be in the uh in The

1351
00:49:28,670 --> 00:49:25,680
Accidental truth Insider website where

1352
00:49:30,349 --> 00:49:28,680
people can see the deeper interviews in

1353
00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:30,359
the actual Paper Trails for the evidence

1354
00:49:33,650 --> 00:49:32,040
and probably we're doing we're doing a

1355
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:33,660
book so hopefully that gets picked up

1356
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,700
and it'll have all that

1357
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:37,680
yeah where can people find your movie

1358
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,780
while we have him before we close where

1359
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:41,520
can they find the movie and we hope that

1360
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:43,500
our audience will watch it absolutely

1361
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:45,000
give it a review Let's help them out

1362
00:49:48,890 --> 00:49:46,980
there are sabotage people out there so

1363
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,900
you guys help our Channel too you give

1364
00:49:52,670 --> 00:49:50,880
us Thumbs Up And subscribe Let's help

1365
00:49:55,609 --> 00:49:52,680
Ron out give it a give it an honest

1366
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:55,619
review absolutely that's all I have to

1367
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:57,420
say about that yeah just give it an

1368
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,700
honest preview we like it out watch it

1369
00:50:03,050 --> 00:50:01,200
you can rent it now for as little as

1370
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:03,060
four bucks if you only watch one UFO

1371
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:05,160
film this month

1372
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:07,560
um you know watch it because it's it

1373
00:50:12,589 --> 00:50:10,800
really is it delivers and it's um it's

1374
00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:12,599
unlike anything else that's been put out

1375
00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:15,180
there you can find it it's on all the

1376
00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:18,420
platforms you know Amazon and Hulu and

1377
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:22,140
Voodoo and Apple TV and Google Play and

1378
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:23,760
all those places

1379
00:50:25,849 --> 00:50:24,900
um and you can find more about the

1380
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:25,859
website

1381
00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:27,900
um or more about the film at accidental

1382
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,920
truths with an s.com so it's

1383
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:33,119
accidentaltruths.com and you know I

1384
00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:34,560
don't know if you guys if we have a

1385
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:36,359
minute but if you guys have a a computer

1386
00:50:40,809 --> 00:50:38,460
this is something that is absolutely

1387
00:50:43,849 --> 00:50:40,819
hilarious if you search right now

1388
00:50:46,670 --> 00:50:43,859
accidental truth t-shirt

1389
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:46,680
you will find that our design of our

1390
00:50:51,290 --> 00:50:49,440
poster has been bootlegged by about a

1391
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:51,300
thousand different people and they're

1392
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:55,040
selling my t-shirts all over the place

1393
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,780
there's more Returns on accidental truth

1394
00:51:02,030 --> 00:50:59,760
t-shirts on Google than come back for

1395
00:51:03,770 --> 00:51:02,040
accidental truth movie it's ridiculous

1396
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,780
but you're not getting a dime from that

1397
00:51:08,049 --> 00:51:06,000
no they stole my my poster but the thing

1398
00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:08,059
is is we have our own t-shirt Factory

1399
00:51:14,089 --> 00:51:10,740
that that is actually in the studio or

1400
00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:14,099
we made the movie and you can go there

1401
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,780
if you go to the website you could buy

1402
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,280
the shirts and I actually make these

1403
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:20,400
shirts Myself by hand and we've got the

1404
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:22,140
t-shirts the mouse pads all the all the

1405
00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:23,579
goodies but it's the only place you can

1406
00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:25,619
get the real deal and and The Accidental

1407
00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:27,420
t-shirts that you buy off our website

1408
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,540
are actually made by me just like I made

1409
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,160
the movie I'm making the merchandise

1410
00:51:35,690 --> 00:51:34,559
myself mostly because I wanted to get

1411
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,700
away from being in front of the computer

1412
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:37,200
all the time so at least when you're

1413
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,700
making t-shirts you have to move your

1414
00:51:43,790 --> 00:51:40,880
body so that's a good thing

1415
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:43,800
by the the directions

1416
00:51:47,809 --> 00:51:45,960
all right so that's pretty cool yeah and

1417
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:47,819
people can find you on move on

1418
00:51:52,849 --> 00:51:50,579
television as well correct yes yeah in

1419
00:51:55,250 --> 00:51:52,859
fact accidentaltruths.com forwards to a

1420
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:55,260
free section of mufon TV where where you

1421
00:51:58,609 --> 00:51:56,640
have all that stuff there's bonus

1422
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:58,619
features to watch there's all kinds of

1423
00:52:04,130 --> 00:52:01,440
information about the movie we've won

1424
00:52:07,849 --> 00:52:04,140
um we've won 11 Awards already

1425
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:07,859
um in film festival competitions and

1426
00:52:11,569 --> 00:52:09,660
um and yeah and film festivals and

1427
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:11,579
competitions we won best best

1428
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:16,319
documentary at the peripod we uh

1429
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,780
we've won like the the Indie Fest we won

1430
00:52:22,609 --> 00:52:20,400
best narrator

1431
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:22,619
um so we've won a bunch of best and a

1432
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:23,940
bunch of golds

1433
00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:27,180
yeah so we're up to 11 and um

1434
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,980
we obviously we entered a lot of

1435
00:52:32,990 --> 00:52:30,480
competitions but you still have to win

1436
00:52:34,849 --> 00:52:33,000
them and so that was pretty exciting

1437
00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:34,859
yeah second is just the first loser

1438
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:37,380
right we all know yeah well yeah second

1439
00:52:42,770 --> 00:52:40,260
isn't too bad yeah but we've won mostly

1440
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:42,780
mostly we've won the the the second tier

1441
00:52:49,309 --> 00:52:45,920
but we've won a few bests also

1442
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,319
Ron before we get uh let you go

1443
00:52:54,410 --> 00:52:51,599
um I just we're strong supporters of

1444
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:54,420
MoveOn always have been and uh I know a

1445
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:56,099
lot of other podcasts knock them down

1446
00:53:00,770 --> 00:52:57,839
but we support them because we know the

1447
00:53:04,490 --> 00:53:00,780
people that are the actual investigators

1448
00:53:06,049 --> 00:53:04,500
have hearts of gold for free yeah they

1449
00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:06,059
do it for free everything's on their

1450
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,720
dime and you know I I'm trying to

1451
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:12,000
let the listeners and viewers of this

1452
00:53:15,950 --> 00:53:14,460
podcast that are interested in getting

1453
00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:15,960
off the couch stopping the couch

1454
00:53:20,210 --> 00:53:18,300
investigator and actually contribute to

1455
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:20,220
the study and maybe join mufon could you

1456
00:53:24,589 --> 00:53:22,380
explain really quickly to the listeners

1457
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,599
how they can join mufon and and help the

1458
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:26,160
organization

1459
00:53:29,329 --> 00:53:27,599
well you know that's

1460
00:53:32,329 --> 00:53:29,339
you touch on one thing that I I want

1461
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,339
everybody to know and that is that mufon

1462
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:35,040
is a community of people that care about

1463
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,260
the topic and find fellowship and like

1464
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,839
Minds within the organization so you

1465
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:41,520
don't have to have a burning need to

1466
00:53:45,470 --> 00:53:43,380
suddenly become a UFO investigator to

1467
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:45,480
join mufon there's a lot of reasons to

1468
00:53:50,569 --> 00:53:49,140
join just to be a part of the club and

1469
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:50,579
if you do want to become a UFO

1470
00:53:54,170 --> 00:53:52,260
investigator there's no better way to do

1471
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,180
it than to become part of mufon and you

1472
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:56,640
could just go to mufon.com and sign up

1473
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,040
but there's so many things that mufon

1474
00:54:02,510 --> 00:54:01,200
offers because a lot of people that you

1475
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:02,520
know they want to be in a club they want

1476
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:03,839
to have their own TV channel they can

1477
00:54:07,069 --> 00:54:04,920
look at they want to have their local

1478
00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:07,079
meetings they can go to and their Zoom

1479
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:09,000
meetings and in places where

1480
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:10,319
experiencers can talk to other

1481
00:54:13,849 --> 00:54:12,300
experiencers but maybe they don't want

1482
00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:13,859
to be like oh I don't want to take this

1483
00:54:17,290 --> 00:54:15,960
UFO investigation and turn it into my

1484
00:54:19,730 --> 00:54:17,300
life

1485
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:19,740
mufon has something for everybody if you

1486
00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:22,079
care about the UFO topic you should be a

1487
00:54:25,849 --> 00:54:23,880
member of mufon no matter what it's only

1488
00:54:28,010 --> 00:54:25,859
like 100 bucks a year for the enhanced

1489
00:54:29,930 --> 00:54:28,020
membership and that comes with a live

1490
00:54:32,089 --> 00:54:29,940
stream of the Symposium and the TV

1491
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:32,099
channel and everything it's it's it's

1492
00:54:36,349 --> 00:54:34,140
well worth it and then if you really do

1493
00:54:38,450 --> 00:54:36,359
want to become a UFO investigator we

1494
00:54:40,490 --> 00:54:38,460
have the best processes and the best

1495
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,500
training in the world so you can take

1496
00:54:44,930 --> 00:54:42,480
your your participation as far as you

1497
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:44,940
want to take it yeah plus you know

1498
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,460
become an investigator uh it's hard to

1499
00:54:50,809 --> 00:54:49,200
find well it's hard to find cases when

1500
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:50,819
you first start off on your own and move

1501
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,760
on to signs you cases that are local and

1502
00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:56,400
uh it gets you it gets you going right

1503
00:55:00,530 --> 00:54:58,980
which is is fantastic and I think we

1504
00:55:02,569 --> 00:55:00,540
need more investigators we need more

1505
00:55:05,690 --> 00:55:02,579
people to participate in this phenomenon

1506
00:55:07,849 --> 00:55:05,700
it is a global issue it requires a

1507
00:55:10,190 --> 00:55:07,859
massive amount of people uh yeah we're

1508
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,200
locked into Data we have members in in a

1509
00:55:14,089 --> 00:55:12,240
lot of foreign countries and you know

1510
00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:14,099
what we're finding out mufan is at the

1511
00:55:17,809 --> 00:55:15,960
Forefront of this too is ET might be

1512
00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:17,819
part of the explanation but it's not the

1513
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:20,099
whole explanation it just it can't be

1514
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,900
we're seeing too many things that aren't

1515
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:24,240
simply explained by ET and we talk about

1516
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:26,940
that in accidental truth as well but you

1517
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,839
know the

1518
00:55:31,849 --> 00:55:29,760
we're about to discover something about

1519
00:55:34,270 --> 00:55:31,859
the whole nature of our reality that is

1520
00:55:36,589 --> 00:55:34,280
going to totally transcend us as a

1521
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,599
civilization if we don't destroy

1522
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:38,160
ourselves first that's really what we're

1523
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,980
on and so organizations like mufon guys

1524
00:55:44,450 --> 00:55:42,960
doing the work that you're doing you

1525
00:55:46,730 --> 00:55:44,460
know filmmakers that are that are

1526
00:55:49,309 --> 00:55:46,740
putting out credible work

1527
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,319
um we're all helping to shape a better

1528
00:55:53,210 --> 00:55:51,119
future for Humanity and that's really

1529
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,220
what it's all about okay and we're in

1530
00:55:56,990 --> 00:55:55,440
desperate times right now we we all need

1531
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:57,000
to redouble our efforts and do the best

1532
00:56:02,569 --> 00:56:00,720
we can to help absolutely Well Ron James

1533
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:02,579
it was a pleasure with us meeting with

1534
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,839
you today and talking about your film

1535
00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:05,760
accidental truth is the film you guys

1536
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:07,140
should check it out give it a good

1537
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:09,420
rating and give us your feedback on

1538
00:56:12,770 --> 00:56:10,740
today's episode what did you guys think

1539
00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:12,780
let us know in the comments hop over to

1540
00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:14,460
our YouTube channel and like And

1541
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:16,200
subscribe if you haven't already and

1542
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,520
again another thanks Ron you're welcome

1543
00:56:22,190 --> 00:56:20,160
back here anytime next project you have

1544
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,200
hop on here first we'll give you the

1545
00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:24,000
we'll give you our audience hey I'll

1546
00:56:27,410 --> 00:56:25,859
reach out to you guys and um you know

1547
00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:27,420
like I said check out accidental truth

1548
00:56:32,089 --> 00:56:28,980
let me know what you think you can reach

1549
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:32,099
me personally at media mufon.com

1550
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,540
um I love hearing from people after

1551
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:35,040
they've seen the film whether they like

1552
00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:36,720
it or not most people like it so that's

1553
00:56:39,049 --> 00:56:37,800
kind of cool

1554
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:39,059
um and thanks for having me on you guys

1555
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:40,559
I was a little bit I cut loose a little

1556
00:56:45,770 --> 00:56:42,660
bit today I'm not wearing my sport coat

1557
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,780
and my tie and um I just kind of wanted

1558
00:56:49,549 --> 00:56:47,520
to share some of the

1559
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:49,559
frustration and joys that are coming

1560
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,540
with putting this film out so thank you

1561
00:56:55,069 --> 00:56:53,520
for having me we appreciate how candid

1562
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:55,079
you are that's uh that's sort of what we

1563
00:56:58,430 --> 00:56:57,420
pride ourselves on we get people to tell

1564
00:57:01,250 --> 00:56:58,440
us stuff that they're not just

1565
00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:01,260
regurgitating on 15 or 20 shows right so

1566
00:57:04,730 --> 00:57:03,180
thanks for the unique episode we

1567
00:57:06,290 --> 00:57:04,740
appreciate it and uh look forward to

1568
00:57:12,310 --> 00:57:06,300
chatting with you again thanks for